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Showing posts with label Brothers Barbarian. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Brothers Barbarian. Show all posts

Tuesday, August 25, 2015

2014.04.28 Ken Whitman and Tim Gooch Discuss Barbarian Brothers DVD Sales.

2014.04.28 Ken Whitman and Tim Gooch Discuss Barbarian Brothers DVD Sales.
I was sent a link to this podcast featuring Tim Gooch and Ken Whitman discussing Brothers Barbarian Season 2 and the subject of DVD sales came up.

Now I haven't been able to find any substantial links to line up with what I've been told, but I've also had issues just finding links about the DVDs themselves....except for this Facebook post:
"You asked for it, so you get what you deserve!
Ken Whitman will trade you $15 for jack squatFifteen dollars will get you a Season One DVD of the series with many bonus features. Also, all monies will help fund sSeason 2!"

Now IMDB has an estimated budget of $150,000, which is a lot of DVD sales! Now the interview makes it seem like DVD sales weren't that big of a deal because of the up-front costs before Season 1, but if those sales were enough to fund Season 2 and part of Season 1, at that point a sunk cost, pretty much that means there was more than enough for Season 2, which again begs the question.....why didn't we get an entire Season 2?

As far as the podcast interview, here is the painfully-extracted transcript portion (emphasis mine):

Host Dwayne Johnson:"Now a lot of your finance comes through the DVDs and such, correct?"

Tim Gooch:"That’s a very small part of it I would say, uh..its its Ken, you can feel free to stop me and tell me to shut up at any point in time. Season 1…"

Ken Whitman:"Stop and shut up…oh wait a second, now wait…go ahead..."

Tim Gooch:"ha, ha, ha…Season 1 was where we exhibited a lot of our start-up costs because it was us trying to get things in place. We had to purchase materials, had to get the ball rolling, so Season 1 probably cost us I would think it was probably what? Three times what Season 2 cost us? In terms of…"

Ken Whitman:"Yes, yes"

Tim Gooch:"…out of pocket expenses. We then, we then still had a similar amount of sweat equity from all the actors and crew, but it was from an, from an actual out of pocket standpoint it was dramatically less for Season 2 than, than for Season 1. Um, but..but far as recouping costs from..DVD sales have helped defer the cost of Season 2..and and a little bit of the costs of Season 1, but its pretty, its pretty fractional because the startup costs were pretty significant in that, in that first season."

Ken Whitman:"Now were, we will push a little more marketing on Season 2, uh and then of course try to push even a little bit more on Season 3. Uh, but when, when one is doing a web series, I mean the main thing that Tim and I set out on a goal was we’d like to develop a crew, we’d like to develop uh, you know actors. We’d like to get people that we get comfortable with, that we can work with for future projects. And, you know, everything is a learning process. And Brother Barbarian, you know, is is basically a start for Tim and I. As we, we actually are working on other products and, and, and acting in other, uh, things, but that we can’t talk about right now. But, you know, this was, this was dipping our toe in, I mean as far as Ken and Tim being, uh uh team or a production team and building the people that we want to work with in the future. And so as though we, we may not have, you know made a tremendous amount of money off of this project, it is the starting point, you know what we plan on doing in the future."

You read it here, Brothers Barbarian Season 2 was Ken Whitman's "warm-up" to building how he wants to work and getting more money. Since he didn't send out a full Season 2, or the DVDs, I have to think this is foreshadowing for the "current" slate of Kickstarter films. The Castles & Crusades is MIA and the KoDT:LAS DVD deadline is in a few short days.

I've posted before that Tim Gooch seems to be a stand-up guy, so please don't take his name and words in this post to be contrary to that. If anything I'd be asking how the relationship between Tim Gooch and Ken Whitman goes these days. He's listed as the "Director of Photography" for KoDT:LAS, but word on the street is they are through...because of Ken Whitman. Maybe this is just me, but if your friends don't want to work with you.....

Because past performance is and indicator of future expectations (this isn't the stock market), I wouldn't be holding my breath on those projects/products filling anytime soon, or at all.


Sunday, August 23, 2015

2015.08.21 Ken Whitman Promises Some DVDs...Where Have We Heard This Promise Before?

2015.08.21 Ken Whitman Promises Some DVDs...Where Have We Heard This Promise Before?
I've heard from two sources now that our main man Ken Whitman sold DVDs for the Brothers Barbarian at $50 a pop......but never delivered.

We already know season two ended up only being a half-season, but another source told me that all six episodes were "in the can" and the reason that we only got the first three episodes is because Ken Whitman wrote his character a love scene for episode four and it was pretty much universally panned by.....everyone.

2015.08.25 EDIT:
While I cannot prove this love scene even exists, the last view-able episode write-up on IMDB seems to spell it out well enough....at least this is the lead-in for the missing 4th episode..."The brothers try to make Nicky & Nacky fall in love with them."

Evidently Ken Whitman's professionalism prevailed failed he just decided to pout a bit, scoop up all of his marbles, and leave the game (so to speak).

Although I've heard the love-scene story from one source and the DVD sales from two, since I don't have anyone specifically going "on the record", a reasonable person might just chalk this up to rumor and wild speculation......

....if you have some details on either of these aspects, please shoot me a note at:
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 You can also leave a comment because the comments are moderated. If you want I'll gladly scrub your identifying information, but I'd rather have a 1st hand account....

I bring up the Brothers Barbarian DVD a bit earlier than we should because we are about a week out from Ken Whitman's KoDT:LAS deadline of "August". Although he has promised the DVDs and the posters and...well, everything, to be delivered long before today, Ken Whitman's fall-back position has generally been, "The deadline is 'August 2015', so I have until September 1st to get this all done." Now this is a paraphrase, but it'll hold up to scrutiny.

The last KoDT:LAS update was on August 21st:
Ken Whitman Attempts to get Some Breathing Room
"We are in the final stages of finish up episode 2 & 3.  Expect to have a meeting with Kenzerco this coming week.  After that its print and ship!
-Ken Whitman"

OK, not like we haven't heard promises along these lines before....like how he was handing over the footage to KenzerCo (stated at the GenCon Premiere), and don't get me started on promises of product shipping.....

Ken Whitman Doesn't Schedule a Meeting, Just Tells us he did
I do like that he is meeting with KenzerCo this week....but do you think maybe, just maybe, he should have let them know about the meeting? Jolly Blackburn had some interesting commentary on the Kickstarter comments page (emphasis mine):
"Hmmm... would be nice to have an opportunity to see the three episodes before burned to DVD, Ken. If nothing else to have an opportunity to provide a list of all the mistakes we spotted in the credits at the premiere. "port raided" instead of "portrayed' for example. Also the writing credits on the script on the three episodes differ a bit. Would need to see the current credits to provide such feedback. thnxs. Didn't now about he meeting. Let us know when."

This might just be my jaded-self here, but I suspect that this is just more smoke-screen so Ken Whitman can feel like he has some breathing room this next week. He seems to "play nice" occasionally to take off the heat.

"Please understand, I have been in the gaming industry for 30 years, and I will be in it for another 30. Please be patient."

Not if we have anything to do with it Ken Whitman, not if we have anything to do about it!

Saturday, August 22, 2015

2012.03.17 Ken Whitman's Earliest Kickstarter to Date

2012.03.17 Ken Whitman's Earliest Kickstarter to Date
When will these "new" Kickstarters stop popping up?

I'll freely admit I had completely forgotten about the Brothers Barbarian, even though it has a dedicated page on the d20 Entertainment website.

Evidently Ken Whitman created a Kickstarter for Season II that failed to fund. Not all was lost I guess because according to the last update, "It does not look like our Kickstarter campaign for Brothers Barbarian Season 2 will succeed.  BUT don't worry, we do have some corporate sponsor and Season 2 will proceed, just a bit slower than we wanted.  However, every bit helps."

"Will proceed, just a bit slower than we wanted...." where have I heard those words before? I remember, pretty much one every Kickstarter Ken Whitman has been involved with. Pretty sure it is in his pre-GenCon video, but I really don't want to listen to him speak...again...but I will. I have to admit I laugh my ass off in this video when we get to the fly.

OK, at 1:01 in the video Ken Whitman says, "The fact is d20 Entertainment is moving slow, but we are moving."

OK, so Ken Whitman didn't get his Kickstarter cash but he did manage to convince some companies to sponsor him. That's great because we get the second season of Ken Whitman buffoonery on-screen courtesy of:


  • Troll & Toad
  • Eriksen Chiropractic
  • Scribe Forge
  • Area Performance Onlus
  • The Wizards Closet
  • Lucca Games & Comic Fair
  • Ardani Studios
  • Hard Knox Games
  • Doe Run Inn
  • Zombie Orpheus Entertainment
The Brothers Barbarian website is gone, but at least we can pop over to YouTube and watch all six episodes of season 2....

....wait a second...where are episodes 5 & 6?

Wow an unfinished Ken Whitman project...color me surprised.

I guess we will just have to live with four episodes then.....if they couldn't finish up the series, much less the season, then episode 4 had to have some matter of closure, right?

Here is the link to episode 4 so we can watch and....what the f....

Seriously? "Violated Terms of Service" I wish I could say that was something new......

I guess I'll just have to update the Kickstarter timeline and call it a day....